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[Justin Garcia]

As far as the BJJ vs. Sambo competition... the way the rules were set up, in theory, I guess was okay. But in application it became pretty messy. IMO BJJ took Sambo 3-2... but I believe the scorecard reads 4-1. The sambo guys were pretty sick on their feet, but the BJJ guys played the rules and scored points by holding guard on the ground (I think... the rules were really weird and I'm not 100% that I got it all correctly).

I had initially thought BJJ would sweep through, but after seeing this I think we could definitely learn a lot by cross-training in Sambo.

Nope, your opinion is wrong. BJJ definately lost one and won the rest. The only problem was that the Sambo team apparantly only excelled at JUDO wheras the BJJ team wanted to submit. The reffing was "lacking" to say the least, as there were about 20 points over the course of two matches that were never awarded. The ref, Sambo Steve, is a great guy, but his rules are still a work in progress and need to be tightened up. Saying the BJJ team could learn a lot based on last night is inaccurate. We had a game plan, and won every match except the one where our guy was outweighed by about 40-50 pounds. The Sambo guys were tough as nails and fought their fight, but all I have to say is...


JIUJITSU! JIUJITSU! JIUJITSU!
 

[Kaitodog]

Justin

do you have a list of the guys that won? how did Mike Wacker and James Baker do?

Thanks

[Justin Garcia]

Mike opponent didn't even show up, and James was the only BJJ guy who lost. The guy he fought was very tough and had James by 40 or so pounds. Winners were:

Nolan Dutcher
Mikell Bursky
Lou De la pena a.k.a. "Chino"

[Kaitodog]

thanks Justin

Tell James congrats

[sambosteve]

I just wanted to chime in and say thanks to Justin for putting together an awsome team!! The show was great success and the competition level was very good.  As Justin noted, the rules are a work in progress. All the coaches have made some very valuable suggestions to tweaks in the rules regarding scoring (in ground and takedown evaluation - to make it less subjective). After every show we truy to make changes for the better - this show will be no exception.  It is the first time we had a solid group of BJJ guys in the show and it is a great learning experience for me as a ref and a promoter. I loved yelling back and forth with Justin!! LOL

In any event, the BJJ guys played the rules and won accordingly.  The fact that a sambo guy as the ref (me) scored in favor of the BJJ guys should demonstrate that the BJJ guys won fair and square (not that I play favorites at all).  I wonder which match King Bear thought should have gone to Sambo. But, regardless, all except the James' fight went the full 10 minutes so, everyone should be proud of a job well done. All the guys showed great skills. Noilan's fight was the clearest BJJ vistory in my opinion as Givi just was not prepared for the freestyle rules and tried to play straight sport sambo. His coach did him a dis-service IMO with poor preparation. The language barrier was a problem too. The other two matches were well matched and BJJ pulled out more points. I think the final match between Chino and Ryan was ass kicking exciting both guys were so awsome in there - I do think it could have gone either way but, it was Chino's night - I am very glad for him because he was so happy - I gave him the red kurtka as a gift for winning.

I also felt terrible for Mike Wacker! we promised him a match in our next event.

[RollsRoyce]

I wish we could get some more detailed results..and im kinda confused on the rules of this also. 

[sambosteve]

I am compiling the official results and doing play by play with the tape for the USKBA report. I will post it here as well when I am done.

You can view the rules at www.battleofbrooklyn.com

[sambosteve]

Full results:

Bout 1: MT vs. SD

Andrius Ratkevicius (Cool Hearts MT) Def. Stephen Holness (Chinese KB Club) at 2 minutes 42 seconds of round 1 by TKO

Bout 2: Sambo Vs. BJJ

Sarkis Matossian (Empire Academy) def James Baxter (Rockland BJJ) via cross choke from side control at 4 minutes, 32 seconds.

Bout 3: MT vs SD

Tara Hightower Gully (Boston San Da) def Lauren Feldman (Cool Hearts MT) via split decision

Bout 4: Sambo vs BJJ

Nolan Dutcher (Lionkill BJJ) def Givi Shubitidze (Brooklyn Wrestling Club) via technical advantage at 10 minutes. 6-3 score

Bout 5: MT vs SD

Will Preap (Chinese KB Club) def Boi Keopondeth via KO at 50 seconds of round 3.

Bout 6: Sambo vs BJJ

Mikell Bursky (Rockland BJJ) def Patrick Hinton (James Simrell MMA) via technical advantage at 10 minutes. 8-5 score.

Bout 7: MT vs SD

Sonia Mejia (Chinese KB Club) def Floria Pectu (Ardon Sweet Science) via TKO at 23 seconds of round 3.

Bout 8: Sambo vs BJJ

Chino De La Pena (Rockland BJJ) def Ryan Ahearn (Ulitmate Sambo) via technical advantage at 10 Minutes. 8-3 score.

Bout 9: MT vs MT (main event - not part of the team event)

Laurence Kenny (Cool Hearts MT) def Steve Vitti (Rhino) via Unanimous Decision.

Bout 10: Sambo vs BJJ

Mike Wacker (Hudson Valley BJJ) def Benny Baez (Ultimate Sambo) via DQ due to no show.

[RollsRoyce]

Full results:

thanks

[sambosteve]

The only problem was that the Sambo team apparantly only excelled at JUDO wheras the BJJ team wanted to submit.

I don't think this is completely accurate. I would definitly say this is true for Nolan's match. I doubt you could honestly say that Ryan or Patrick were not out for submissions.

The reffing was "lacking" to say the least, as there were about 20 points over the course of two matches that were never awarded.

I agree that these rules are a work in progress (I have already taken yours and the other coaches suggestions into account for future events). After every event, we make changes based on difficulties from that particular event. But, you are way off in the number of points you feel you were slighted. My feeling is that the rules as they are now are too subjective which leads to too many calls which can be viewed differently by various stylists.They will definitely need to be tweaked if we plan to grow and train more refs. Like I told you at the event, regardless of calls you feel I missed, the flavor of the match still comes through in the final results. Nobody was robbed and the winners got the W they deserved. In the end, like they always say, don't leave it up to the judges 

[Justin Garcia]

The only problem was that the Sambo team apparantly only excelled at JUDO wheras the BJJ team wanted to submit.

I don't think this is completely accurate. I would definitly say this is true for Nolan's match. I doubt you could honestly say that Ryan or Patrick were not out for submissions.

The reffing was "lacking" to say the least, as there were about 20 points over the course of two matches that were never awarded.

I agree that these rules are a work in progress (I have already taken yours and the other coaches suggestions into account for future events). After every event, we make changes based on difficulties from that particular event. But, you are way off in the number of points you feel you were slighted. My feeling is that the rules as they are now are too subjective which leads to too many calls which can be viewed differently by various stylists.They will definitely need to be tweaked if we plan to grow and train more refs. Like I told you at the event, regardless of calls you feel I missed, the flavor of the match still comes through in the final results. Nobody was robbed and the winners got the W they deserved. In the end, like they always say, don't leave it up to the judges

Always so serious! Who loves ya!?  Lol! It was an awesome night, but the smack is what one gets when you invite a PR from the Bronx!

[sambosteve]

It's all said with Love 

Besides when you have a serious guy from Queens and Bronx boy going at it, it will always be fun 

[King Baer]

The sambo guys were so-so on the ground, but excellent on their feet... that's what I thought we could take from them.  I suppose it's all essentially just like Judo anyway, but man were some of those guys real slick.  I don't really see that kind of standup ability at the regional tournaments usually (NAGA, GQ, etc).  Most of the BJJ places I've trained at focus much more on the ground game (and rightly so), but there are definite advantages to having the ability to take the fight to the ground on your own terms.  Wrestling techniques translate perfectly to no-gi competition, but with the gi it gets a little stickier, and I have a hard time adapting.  That's my 2cents... 

[sambosteve]

In my opinion (don't forget, I scored in favor of BJJ more), the ground aspects of the event were fairly even. Point scoring aside - apeaking strikly technique, It all depends on one's point of view. Yes, the BJJ guys established lost of guard but, did not get the subs in the limited ground time available. The sambo guys were able basically neutralize the guard and avoid subs. So, it is really about which position you prefer. There were many sub attempts on both sides and lots of reversals/escapes on both sides. I actually think qualitatively, the ground games were fairly even. I also think, as a whole, there was more of a variety of sub attempts by the sambo guys (even though they did not pull them off).

[Flying Triangle]

First let me say that I am still disappointed in myself for losing the match and for not getting the sweep for BJJ.  It was a great event and Steve is a great guy.  However I do want to chime in on the other three matches.

To say that the ground game was even is not accurate in my opinion, it is hard to look impressive or very decisive in 30 seconds.  It is like saying a Ferrari and a Yugo are even in a race if they are only going 30 feet.  Now, I don't mean for it to sound like I am saying BJJ is a Ferrari and Sambo is a Yugo but rather it was not the right conditions to compare their "ground games".  If there was no ground time limit I believe the difference in the ground game would have been more evident.  They were certainly close matches in these rules though.

The Sambo guys were very tough and had some very nice sub attempts.  As for the rules, I was glad to hear that Steve will be modifying them, that will only make the event better.  I think they are pretty good the way they are now, not what I am used to since I have only competed in Jiu-Jitsu but it was cool to try something different.