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    « on: May 26, 2006, 08:10:45 AM »

    I posted this before but, i was asked by someone who will remain nameless because they are going to the movies to see X-3 while I stay home a fume.   Anyways,


    I need help finishing a toehold on a stronger opponent who tightens his ankle and raises his toes.  I can't budge his foot, what can i do technique wise?
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    « Reply #1 on: May 26, 2006, 08:12:04 AM »

    I posted this before but, i was asked by someone who will remain nameless because they are going to the movies to see X-3 while I stay home a fume.   Anyways,


    I need help finishing a toehold on a stronger opponent who tightens his ankle and raises his toes.  I can't budge his foot, what can i do technique wise?

    I'm glad you decided to post this question in the proper place!
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    « Reply #2 on: May 26, 2006, 08:13:53 AM »

    I posted this before but, i was asked by someone who will remain nameless because they are going to the movies to see X-3 while I stay home a fume.   Anyways,


    I need help finishing a toehold on a stronger opponent who tightens his ankle and raises his toes.  I can't budge his foot, what can i do technique wise?

    I'm glad you decided to post this question in the proper place!

    Ah go suck on a BLACKBERRY.  Cry
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    « Reply #3 on: May 26, 2006, 08:15:50 AM »

    I posted this before but, i was asked by someone who will remain nameless because they are going to the movies to see X-3 while I stay home a fume.   Anyways,


    I need help finishing a toehold on a stronger opponent who tightens his ankle and raises his toes.  I can't budge his foot, what can i do technique wise?

    I'm glad you decided to post this question in the proper place!

    Ah go suck on a BLACKBERRY.  Cry

    Your inferior technology does not frighten me.

    What specific setup are you using for the toehold?  Mind if I call it a figure-4 footlock?
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    « Reply #4 on: May 26, 2006, 08:18:57 AM »

    I posted this before but, i was asked by someone who will remain nameless because they are going to the movies to see X-3 while I stay home a fume.   Anyways,


    I need help finishing a toehold on a stronger opponent who tightens his ankle and raises his toes.  I can't budge his foot, what can i do technique wise?

    I'm glad you decided to post this question in the proper place!

    Ah go suck on a BLACKBERRY.  Cry

    Your inferior technology does not frighten me.

    What specific setup are you using for the toehold?  Mind if I call it a figure-4 footlock?

    Yeah, i grab the ankle like a headlock then the other hand is on the toe area and the hand that has the headlock grip goes over to the radius bone for the figure four.
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    « Reply #5 on: May 26, 2006, 08:21:48 AM »

    First step:  isolate the other leg.

    A big part of the other person's defense is their free leg (the one you're not footlocking).
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    « Reply #6 on: May 26, 2006, 08:30:25 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.
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    « Reply #7 on: May 26, 2006, 08:34:00 AM »

    Oh, it doesn't hurt to improve step 3 further by making sure their foot is hugged to your chest.

    Just like a kimura finish... this part really tightens things up.
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    « Reply #8 on: May 26, 2006, 08:34:15 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.
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    « Reply #9 on: May 26, 2006, 08:43:38 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.
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    « Reply #10 on: May 26, 2006, 08:44:33 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.

    I'm too poor for DVD'S how about a pic by pic demo?
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    « Reply #11 on: May 26, 2006, 08:58:29 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.

    I'm too poor for DVD'S how about a pic by pic demo?

    I just talked to Phil Migliarese the other day.  He said they're looking to market their dvds for $19.99....
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    « Reply #12 on: May 26, 2006, 09:07:29 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.

    I'm too poor for DVD'S how about a pic by pic demo?

    I just talked to Phil Migliarese the other day.  He said they're looking to market their dvds for $19.99....

    That's still 19.97 more than I have now.
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    « Reply #13 on: May 26, 2006, 10:25:05 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.

    I'm too poor for DVD'S how about a pic by pic demo?

    I just talked to Phil Migliarese the other day.  He said they're looking to market their dvds for $19.99....

    That's still 19.97 more than I have now.

    Quit breeding, then!   Wink
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    « Reply #14 on: May 26, 2006, 10:27:23 AM »

    This leg isolation can be done off the "rolling toe hold" (from inside someone's De La Riva guard), off the kneebar (switching to the other foot to attack it... my personal favorite), or from a variety of other positions.

    If you end up on top of the person, a good rule of thumb for getting the knee bent (someone on that OTHER thread on the wrong forum mentioned this) is "toe to butt."  The funniest way I've had that part described to me is "try to put their big toe inside their butthole."  Disgusting?  Yes.  Accurate?  You bet.

    So step 1 is isolating the other leg, whether locking it between your knees or pinning it down. 
    Step 2 is bending their knee (toe to butt).
    Step 3 is the actual application of the submission.  This comes from two separate pressures: 
    A:   inward pressure (the hand on the toes applies this pressure)
    B:   outward pressure (the hand on your own wrist applies this pressure)

    Further improving step 3, you can grab your own hand instead of grabbing your own wrist.  This tiny adjustment has made the difference more times than I can count for me when finishing the figure-4 footlock.

    I wish i had a sidekick so, you could send me this stuff and I could remeber it all.  I guess it's pen a paper...  Sad

    Thanks for the great info though.  Thumbs Up

    i'll try it tonight.

    Rick Macauley also has a top-secret deadly technique he likes to use from there called the "Gorilla Hook."  Hopefully Rick puts out a DVD soon and shows this... maybe on one of the Jiu Jitsu Matrix DVDs.

    I'm too poor for DVD'S how about a pic by pic demo?

    I just talked to Phil Migliarese the other day.  He said they're looking to market their dvds for $19.99....

    That's still 19.97 more than I have now.

    Quit breeding, then!   Wink
    Hey, they are my social security in the future.  I'll have them all send daddy home 300 each.  I'll be racking up...hopefully... Undecided
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