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    Author Topic: Jimmy Pedro Disses BJJ  (Read 3261 times)
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    « on: February 15, 2008, 07:06:10 AM »

    Whats up folks you can read this for yourself in the black belt magazine March issue with Dan Inosanto on the Cover. OK OK no one freak out about reading this magazine. If you cant find it ill retype it as they have it on page 123.

    Jimmy Pedro says: In his 5 tips on fighting MMA from the guy who has 0 MMA fights from what I know and could find out.

    #4 You should learn Judo

    judo is the best remedy for martial artist looking to prepare themselves for action in the ring or on the streets because os the breadth and depth of its take downs and mat work. Frankly, judo's treatment of both skill sets trumps those of Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and wrestling. In certain situations Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and wrestling have their strengths, but when it comes to being a single, comprehensive art judo RULES.  Privately many Brazilian jiu jitsu black belts will agree; in fact many of the most successful ones come from a judo background. Need proof? watch a few MMA matches in the company of  a skilled Judoka and ask him to point all of the missed opportunities for the foot sweeps while the competitors are struggling for position against the fence or ropes. Sometimes the openings are so obvious the it hurts to just watch. Further more judo can give a fighter a weapon for taking down a opponent who's familiar such as the double leg takedown.


    Caution: If you take up Judo dont expect instant gratification. It takes a lil longer to perfect  a throw than it does to learn a triangle choke.

    Caveat: If you're a mixed martial artist make sure you train at a judo facility that accepts you and your style. Also make sure the offers hard core judo classes. If your unable to find such a place, you're welcome at my club.

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    All i have to say is a few things. A few years ago I put on a show called the " Black Belt Pro am" I personally put up $10,000.00 Cash to the winners. I put a call out to every JUDO this and that from here to the other side of the country. You can say people dint want to come cause at that time Saluo and Xande both were living in Ohio. Also Lovato Jr came from great distance. One judo representative showed up and his first fight was Xande, armbar under 2 minutes.

    Next thing is  Lyoto Machida new Bjj black belt beat the plain s**t out of Rameau Sokoudjou  "The African Assassin and this guys JUDO is off the chain. He is a big deal here in San Diego. On that night in that fight it was MMA Jiu jitsu VS MMA Judo. I think someone should talk to Mr. Pedro and explain we are the one who let the fight continue when it hits the ground not stand you back up. Also I dont know about you but I still train after I get thrown. Yea thats might hurt but Ill take a throw if you let me choke you.

    Nuff said.   
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    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2008, 08:30:12 AM »

    He still makes some pretty good points here.
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    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2008, 09:15:21 AM »

    ....watch a few MMA matches in the company of  a skilled Judoka...

    s**t, go down to your local buffalo wild wings and ask any guy who hasn't trained in anything and he'll point out all kinds of mistakes the fighters are making, and what they should do to win.

    or even better, MMA fighters love it when spectators give them advice in person right after the fight.
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    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2008, 09:33:40 AM »

    then why do judo guys bitch when you touch their face while rolling?



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    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2008, 09:35:27 AM »

    So what if you can foot sweep your opponent to the ground?

    What's someone like Jimmy Pedro going to do to Roger Gracie after he foot sweeps him?  He'll be tapping in minutes.
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    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2008, 09:42:08 AM »

    Well, what do you expect the guy to say though?  Dude's a famous Judo guy!  He's going to plug his sport.  He's not going to say "Well, Judo has great throws but BJJ has more emphasis on finishing the fight". 

    I would like to hear what the Camarillo bros have to say about this, or Rhadi.  People that are highly skilled in both sports.  Their opinion carries more weight.
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    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2008, 10:13:21 AM »

    So what if you can foot sweep your opponent to the ground?

    What's someone like Jimmy Pedro going to do to Roger Gracie after he foot sweeps him?  He'll be tapping in minutes.

    more like seconds
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    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2008, 10:19:54 AM »

    Yoshida's Judo really helped him against Crocop and Thompson. 
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    « Reply #8 on: February 15, 2008, 10:23:19 AM »

    Well, what do you expect the guy to say though?  Dude's a famous Judo guy!  He's going to plug his sport.  He's not going to say "Well, Judo has great throws but BJJ has more emphasis on finishing the fight". 


    Yeah, you'd expect him to be partisan.  However, saying Brazilian BBs will candidly admit that judo is better is bunk.

    Jimmy's comments might make it more difficult for him to peddle mats.

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    « Reply #9 on: February 15, 2008, 11:22:07 AM »

    I am a green belt in Judo. It clearly has given me the skills displayed in the raping of my MMA opponents.
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    « Reply #10 on: February 15, 2008, 11:26:18 AM »

    Judo only exists because Kano wanted to get rid of the brutal bully image  that JiuJitsukas had . So he took the softer side of what he new and made a gentler sport to spread around the world.
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    « Reply #11 on: February 15, 2008, 11:38:39 AM »

    I don't think he meant to bash BJJ or wrestling at all, just point something out.  He even wrestled through college. 
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    « Reply #12 on: February 15, 2008, 11:44:18 AM »

    I have heard from a very good BJJ Brown Belt ( or maybe even  Black Belt now)  that Jimmy Pedro has very good  newaza or ground game. I personally believe that his comments are ignorant and inappropriate and I would expect him that at his age and time on the mats to have had a bit more growth...

    Judo, Wrestling, and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, Sambo , etc... are all in my opinions the study of bio-mechanics.

    What makes them different is the approach certain groups have taken to study them and the rules of competition which are based on what to each Arts believes  to be more significant.

    A smart Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu will see in an Olympic Judo guy the opportunity to work on a part of his stand up that will give him an edge under Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu rules.

    Like Xande did to Roger in 2006 after training with  Olympic judo bronze medalist Flavio Canto. Rumors are that Flavio Canto is great at newaza.

    http://www.geocities.com/global_trai...rpo_quatro.htm

    Here he is in action:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KrEbwDHL-Hc&feature=related

    I personally believe the guy could win the Worlds if he trained for it and had the right strategy, but it wouldn't be as easy as people proclaim it to be. Before the 2006 Mundials I recall Saulo saying that he new a little secret about Roger that will give the edge to his brother Xande in 2006. In the Road to the Championship  DVD  I believe this secret was that Roger has vulnerabilities in his Judo. Xande became absolute champion that year with and ipon sagonae.

    I believe that the rules in judo and wrestling are very restrictive while in BJJ ( Gi or No gi) allow for more innovation at the cost of injuries. They are not perfect, but nothing is…

    I believe Jimmy Pedro made an immature comment.  

    When I was at Cornell University I trained with the wrestling team from time to time. I could knee bar them, sweep them , take the back,  and even keep them from taking me down, etc...but this one kid in particular could take me down with a double leg at will. Instead of feeding my ego I decided it would be nicer if he beat me on the stand up battle until  I could stop his double leg. What would I learn from tapping a wrestler with no bjj experience?..absolutely nothing. Him on the other hand never asked me to show him any BJJ moves because I feel he liked to be in the teacher position the superior sport athlete position and me his student. So I say sure...it  helped my takedowns alot .

    When I was in Michigan there where 6 black belts in judo not a lot of brazilian jiu-jitsu guys to train with. I decided to focus on my  judo. At first I would like to tap them to show that BJJ was superior but then I realized this was foolish. Throwing them will be a much greater accomplishment.

    I have a 6th degree black belt from Romania Olympic team that trains with us. He used to turn to his knees every time he hit the ground. At first I was once again foolish to explain that this was not a good position.  I then realize he would only get it after he tapped or was choked or I manage to turn the turtle into a 30 second pin. At first it was really hard because he had mastered his turtle defense, but now he don’t go there no more....On the other hand he trains more BJJ than he does Judo which is nice to see.

    I say if you really love BJJ study Judo’s best, study Wrestling’s best, etc….because if they study our best and we don’t…then we will be in trouble.
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    « Reply #13 on: February 15, 2008, 11:48:32 AM »

    and by for many years I was  a  Jimmy pedro fan. Hey look  what a coincidence:


    2008 JIMMY PEDRO JUDO CHALLENEG FEB 23!
    http://www.jimmypedro.com/challenge2007.php

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    « Reply #14 on: February 15, 2008, 12:05:01 PM »

    and by for many years I was  a  Jimmy pedro fan. Hey look  what a coincidence:


    2008 JIMMY PEDRO JUDO CHALLENEG FEB 23!
    http://www.jimmypedro.com/challenge2007.php



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