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[TheTrain]

isn't he also the guy who quit in the middle of the fight with Grove?

The guy could do a marathon running backwards.  With so much talent trying to get into the UFC, why keep a clown around?  Starnes ran from Quarry the whole fight in the ultimate snooze fest.

[TheTrain]

[sakurinho]

Very odd strategy........I wonder if he hurt something in the beginning of the fight.

[Old School Grip]

Very odd strategy........I wonder if he hurt something in the beginning of the fight.

Yeah. His VAGINA!

[Letmbleed]

That was horrible.  I really thought he would be a contender one day.  He seemed to have so much talent.

[David Jacobs]

Very odd strategy........I wonder if he hurt something in the beginning of the fight.

Yeah. His VAGINA!

I believe an "Oh Snap!"  is quite appropriate in this instance.

[olFox]

the judge that had it 30-24 had it right!

I have no idea what was up with Starnes.  He has alot of skill, but seems unable to use it in the UFC!

[OBRIEN]

yea thats 15 minutes of my life i'll never get back.  does any one know of a link to the Damian Maia fight? shame that wasn't shown

[lay n pray]

He must've been injured.  If not, there's no way they should give him another fight in the UFC.  I remember after his injury on the reality show he posted on another mma forum about his injury and his thoughts on Shamrock, so maybe he'll explain what happened, or maybe someone at ATT knows? 

Quarry giving a post-fight shout out to Marco "the professor" Perazzo and Big Tim Carpenter for helping him prepare for the fight was pretty cool. 

[bjjartist]

There should have been points deducted.

[thebaadtouchh]

He must've been injured.  If not, there's no way they should give him another fight in the UFC.  I remember after his injury on the reality show he posted on another mma forum about his injury and his thoughts on Shamrock, so maybe he'll explain what happened, or maybe someone at ATT knows? 

Quarry giving a post-fight shout out to Marco "the professor" Perazzo and Big Tim Carpenter for helping him prepare for the fight was pretty cool. 

The only person he needed to prepare for this fight was Lance Armstrong... and maybe a couple Kenyans.

[lay n pray]

Found this on the sherdog forum.  Not sure how accurate it is.  If it's true it's a dick thing to do to all the fans that paid for the ppv and there are better ways to voice his opinion on Dana White and Zuffa.

"Just heard Starnes on the radio station from Montreal.

Basically he sets the record straight and backs it up with proof. As many of you know this was his last fight of the UFC contract and he has always voiced his dissatisfaction with his salary. Basically after the Kendall Grove fight where his rib was broken, UFC did NOT cover any medical bills even though it happened on the "work site".

He said that he is one of the many fighters who get injured and never compensated by the UFC. He was well aware that he was on the main card because it was Canada, and this being his last fight he decided to protest in the names of all underpaid fighters and screw over the UFC.
This is NO joke because he claimed that the only reason Dana White officially released the fight bonuses was in order to counter-act the public statement that Starnes is about to make or would have made. However, since the 75k fight bonuses were disclosed Kalib's martyr actions may not be as significant.

Nevertheless, expect an official statement later this week as his gym is holding a official press conference on Wednesday. We all know that the "real" Kalib Starnes would have never fought the way he did and luckily there IS an explanation."

[kebam]

Basically he sets the record straight and backs it up with proof. As many of you know this was his last fight of the UFC contract and he has always voiced his dissatisfaction with his salary. Basically after the Kendall Grove fight where his rib was broken, UFC did NOT cover any medical bills even though it happened on the "work site".

He said that he is one of the many fighters who get injured and never compensated by the UFC. He was well aware that he was on the main card because it was Canada, and this being his last fight he decided to protest in the names of all underpaid fighters and screw over the UFC.

Isn't the medical policy known before hand? 

If this is true and if he did take a dive, he should never be allowed to fight, manage or be in the corner of another fight ever again.  No reason is good enough for defrauding everyone involved like that.

[up2me]

Thats the biggest crock of s**t i have ever heard in my life..  The guy went out in his home country and made a complete fool of himself..  What,  he thought it was a good idea to make a point about fighter salaries but at the same time loose all respect from MMA fans, the people in his country and his fellow fighters..   Thats BS..

Nate chopped his leg down..  he couldn't do s**t so he decided to run..


Hes more of pansy for giving the excuse he did..

[thebaadtouchh]

Every state commission I know about requires all fighters on a card to be covered by the events insurance policy in the case of injury. I know this is true for boxing, and don't see why it wouldn't be true for MMA.

In some cases of severe injury state commissions have been known to actually pay for medical expenses beyond those covered by the events policy.

I think if Starnes is actually going to say he had to pay his own medical bills he's BSing.

[hammer2007]

Basically he sets the record straight and backs it up with proof. As many of you know this was his last fight of the UFC contract and he has always voiced his dissatisfaction with his salary. Basically after the Kendall Grove fight where his rib was broken, UFC did NOT cover any medical bills even though it happened on the "work site".

He said that he is one of the many fighters who get injured and never compensated by the UFC. He was well aware that he was on the main card because it was Canada, and this being his last fight he decided to protest in the names of all underpaid fighters and screw over the UFC.
This is NO joke because he claimed that the only reason Dana White officially released the fight bonuses was in order to counter-act the public statement that Starnes is about to make or would have made. However, since the 75k fight bonuses were disclosed Kalib's martyr actions may not be as significant.

Nevertheless, expect an official statement later this week as his gym is holding a official press conference on Wednesday. We all know that the "real" Kalib Starnes would have never fought the way he did and luckily there IS an explanation."

Bullshit.  Much better way to make that point:  kick Quarry's ass and then tell the UFC to f**k off in your after-fight speech as a winner.   You make you point much more effectively and you also get the $75k bonus and leave on your own terms as a hot commodity for another organization, not as a disgraced joke.   I felt bad for him after the fight but not anymore.

[up2me]

Bullshit.  Much better way to make that point:  kick Quarry's ass and then tell the UFC to f**k off in your after-fight speech as a winner.   You make you point much more effectively and you also get the $75k bonus and leave on your own terms as a hot commodity for another organization, not as a disgraced joke.   I felt bad for him after the fight but not anymore.
[/quote]

Well Said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[andy ruffner]

If that's true that that was his point then I have no respect for him.  A real man would have fought the fight of his life to show what the organization was missing out on.  That's it.  Nothing more.  This is a career for a lot of these guys.  Would you f**k over your current company for the last couple weeks before moving on to the next one?  It's called a reputation. It's easy to destroy and a lot of work to build or rebuild.  Also, take a step back and remember who you're representing and your teammates.  You're f_cking them over because sometimes s**t like this gets unfairly reflected upon them. 

[Trenchcoat]

I love that Starnes still ran away from Quarry even when Quarry started fucking around at the end. What could Starnes have been thinking at that point? "I've never seen this one arm slow repeating backfist thing. Looks pretty effective. I should probably keep running."
Ridiculous.

[kebam]

I love that Starnes still ran away from Quarry even when Quarry started fucking around at the end. What could Starnes have been thinking at that point? "I've never seen this one arm slow repeating backfist thing. Looks pretty effective. I should probably keep running."
Ridiculous.

an inverted flip off?

[lay n pray]

I wonder how many punches Starnes actually threw the entire fight.  He might not have thrown any in the last round.  But there's no way I'd watch that fight again to find out. 

[Letmbleed]

I like how he and his corner decided they wanted to fight Quarry for making fun of him.

AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OVER.

[jimmy68]

I love that Starnes still ran away from Quarry even when Quarry started fucking around at the end. What could Starnes have been thinking at that point? "I've never seen this one arm slow repeating backfist thing. Looks pretty effective. I should probably keep running."
Ridiculous.

an inverted flip off?

I do believe this fighting style Quarry is demonstrating here is the same approach that Screech used in preparation for his showdown with AC Slater at Bay Side High

[danielson]

I like how he and his corner decided they wanted to fight Quarry for making fun of him.

AFTER THE FIGHT WAS OVER.

Exactly,,he has a history of after the fight fighting. He was screaming f.u. at his own corner once after the fight was called due to a head cut.

[Romario]

well, now Starnes can fight somewhere else... But who will give this guy a chance?

 

[Untappable]

This is the same guy who, when given a chance to come back and fight again on TUF after losing, refused saying he was too beat up.   Why bother fighting at all if that's your attitude. He's done and over with. 

[Alliance Soldier NYC]

What was Quarry doing or making fun of here? I didnt see the UFC so i didnt hear any backstory to the self applied arm triangle or stretching thing.

[paully1976]

I liked how after doing this, Quarry said that he "meant no disrespect". 

Yeah ok. 

"I wanna thank my fans.  And I meant no disrespect to Caleb or his camp when I was making a mockery of his fight and humiliating him in front of millions.  Oh, and no disrespect, but you're a homo.  No disrespect."

I guess the good thing is, Caleb deserved it.  That was a painful fight to watch.  I might be a pussy for not "putting it on the line", but c'mon.  I'm not a professional fighter either.  If I wont do my job, please tell me to stop being a shithead, even if I can perform it better than you can.  Cuz, like, it's my job. 

While a lot of the pre/post fight stuff is hype, I don't buy the kiss-and-makeup stuff.  It's a good way for the winner to look like he has class, and for the loser to look like a good loser.  Otherwise there wouldnt be so much shittalking after the hugging and kissing stops.

[cambone]

and he's gone...
http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/UFC-cuts-Starnes-after-disgraceful-performance?urn=mma,78124

[SilverFox]

Horrible Career Move = see Kalib Starnes UFC 83

Ya know, if the guy could have 'used the ring' as a method to pick apart Quarry and win the fight, so be it...but he just used it to avoid fighting.

He did accomplish three things however...ruining his chance with the largest MMA organization out there, dropping his stock to zero for any other organization to pick him up, and pissing off any loyal Canadian fans he might have had.

Seriously, that was a dick move whether it was planned in advance or not.  In the end, he stuck it to himself, no one else. 

[andy ruffner]

"I would much rather get knocked out than lose a decision running backwards...."  Quarry

[BubbaRayGracie]

Found this on the sherdog forum.  Not sure how accurate it is.  If it's true it's a dick thing to do to all the fans that paid for the ppv and there are better ways to voice his opinion on Dana White and Zuffa.

"Just heard Starnes on the radio station from Montreal.

Basically he sets the record straight and backs it up with proof. As many of you know this was his last fight of the UFC contract and he has always voiced his dissatisfaction with his salary. Basically after the Kendall Grove fight where his rib was broken, UFC did NOT cover any medical bills even though it happened on the "work site".

He said that he is one of the many fighters who get injured and never compensated by the UFC. He was well aware that he was on the main card because it was Canada, and this being his last fight he decided to protest in the names of all underpaid fighters and screw over the UFC.
This is NO joke because he claimed that the only reason Dana White officially released the fight bonuses was in order to counter-act the public statement that Starnes is about to make or would have made. However, since the 75k fight bonuses were disclosed Kalib's martyr actions may not be as significant.

Nevertheless, expect an official statement later this week as his gym is holding a official press conference on Wednesday. We all know that the "real" Kalib Starnes would have never fought the way he did and luckily there IS an explanation."

If any of that explanation is true (other than, say, the fight being in Canada), wikipedia should be updated to include a picture of Caleb next to the phrase "cutting of your nose to spite your face."

[Battistelli]

Blame Canada!

[Hooligan]

Blame Canada!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4b0OJJyTe8

[NaTaS]

Not sure how valid the information is but:

http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=6978

Criticized Canadian Calls UFC Contract ‘Most Oppressive’

By Mike Russell (gfn@thefightnetwork.com)

Kalib Starnes on Monday set out to clarify circumstances regarding his pending release from the Ultimate Fighting Championship. He countered a report from Yahoo! Sports’ Kevin Iole in which UFC president Dana White seemed to indicate the Surrey, British Columbia, native had been cut from his contract.

“He just doesn’t belong in the UFC, and after his performance the other night, he should consider a new line of work,” White said, referring to Starnes’ widely criticized effort against Nate Quarry at UFC 83: Serra vs. St. Pierre 2 on Saturday at the Bell Centre in Montreal.

Starnes told The Fight Network that he requested his release from the remainder of his UFC contract, which had been carried over from his appearance on “The Ultimate Fighter” reality series and ensured him three fights per year.

“[UFC matchmaker] Joe Silva told me that it usually takes a couple of days for their legal department to complete the paperwork and that he would send me all of the paperwork to indicate that my contract has been dissolved,” Starnes said. “Later on in the afternoon, after I had spoken to Joe Silva, a story was released by some reporter from Yahoo! in which Dana White said that he had released me from my contract. I received no documentation on that, and it came after I asked to be released.”

Starnes – who dropped a unanimous decision to Quarry and was booed by his fellow Canadians for failing to engage – called White’s comments unprofessional and inappropriate.

“In my opinion, it was inappropriate to make public statements regarding my character and my future and so on the way that he has, especially without having the courage and the respect to call me up and speak with me personally,” Starnes said. “All of these comments come from a man that has never had a fight in his entire life who claims to be the ultimate authority on fighting and courage. I couldn’t be happier than to be released from the most oppressive contract I’ve ever been under in my life.”

According to the American Top Team-trained fighter, injuries led to his switch from an offensive to defensive mode against Quarry. For a majority of the fight, Starnes back pedaled out of harm’s way and away from his opponent’s dangerous punches. A former challenger for the UFC middleweight championship, Quarry battered Starnes with leg kicks throughout the three-round bout.

“Right now, I have a broken foot [that] I sustained with the first kick I threw in the fight,” Starnes said. “My leg is purple and black from my knee up, I have a black eye, a sprained jaw, and he’s questioning my desire to fight? If that isn’t enough to satisfy him and the crowd, I can show them the medical report. I can barely walk. [Quarry] totally destroyed my thigh with those kicks. I’m sure a lot of people would rather see me suffer a traumatic brain injury and be rendered unconscious. That’s too bad. If that’s what they want, they’re paying the wrong guy $10,000 to get his brain smashed in.”

Starnes then invited White to walk a few feet in his shoes.

“Dana White wouldn’t stand and trade with a guy [like Quarry] who had an 80 or 90 percent knockout ratio with injuries like I had Saturday night,” Starnes said. “He wouldn’t cross the street for $10,000. I don’t have anything to prove to anybody. I’m not about to stand there and get smashed to pieces. After I knew my foot was broken, I was trying to back up and work off the jab and keep moving so I didn’t get knocked out.”

Rumors also surfaced Monday that Starnes had dropped a bombshell – that his performance was a direct protest to his pay rate and insurance that he would be let go from the remainder of his contract – on a Montreal radio show following his match with Quarry. Starnes called the rumors ludicrous.

“Any report or rumor that I came on any radio station to comment on the fight or circumstances surrounding the fight or in reference to the UFC or Dana White is completely false,” he said. “I’ve been back in Florida since Sunday, and it was Dana White who decided to come out and publicly attack my character, not the other way around. That’s the way he felt like he should go. Maybe he thinks that character assassination might prevent me from moving on and fighting for another organization or carrying on a career. If he thinks it’s appropriate to attack me, it isn’t.”

[Bone]

I don't understand why Kalib is saying that he had to pay all of his own medical bills, is he not Canadian? Isn't the third best thing in Canada, behind Strip clubs& Beer free health care?

[olFox]

I don't understand why Kalib is saying that he had to pay all of his own medical bills, is he not Canadian? Isn't the third best thing in Canada, behind Strip clubs& Beer free health care?

In BC (he lives in the lower mainland) you actually pay insurance premiums for health care.  You have no choice, if you do not they will take your paycheck.

[Alliance Soldier NYC]

I didnt see the fight but does any of this fall on Quarry? Couldnt he have at least engaged and went in for the kill? Instead of clowning around, do that wierd stretch thing and from what i hear doing the running man at one point? A fight is a 2 sided affair, imagine Kalib pulling this against a guy like Rampage or Silva, what do you think the outcome would have been, 1st round KO most likely.
Not saying that Kalib didnt f**k up but im just pondering on Quarrys role in all of this and comparing it to what other guys would do in that situation, IMO there arent bad fights, there are just bad fighters (plural).
I dont think that one fighters lack of heart and aggression should let the other guy off the hook and give him an easy pass, he should have been held to a standard too, maybe Quarry is just as lacking as a fighter?

[paully1976]

I didnt see the fight but does any of this fall on Quarry? Couldnt he have at least engaged and went in for the kill? Instead of clowning around, do that wierd stretch thing and from what i hear doing the running man at one point? A fight is a 2 sided affair, imagine Kalib pulling this against a guy like Rampage or Silva, what do you think the outcome would have been, 1st round KO most likely.
Not saying that Kalib didnt f**k up but im just pondering on Quarrys role in all of this and comparing it to what other guys would do in that situation, IMO there arent bad fights, there are just bad fighters (plural).
I dont think that one fighters lack of heart and aggression should let the other guy off the hook and give him an easy pass, he should have been held to a standard too, maybe Quarry is just as lacking as a fighter?

just watch the fight   quarry was doing everything short of running into kalib's fists.  it was very frustrating to watch as quarry was doing everything he could to make it a good fight.

[Bone]

I don't understand why Kalib is saying that he had to pay all of his own medical bills, is he not Canadian? Isn't the third best thing in Canada, behind Strip clubs& Beer free health care?

In BC (he lives in the lower mainland) you actually pay insurance premiums for health care.  You have no choice, if you do not they will take your paycheck.

So he was insured

[Alliance Soldier NYC]

I didnt see the fight but does any of this fall on Quarry? Couldnt he have at least engaged and went in for the kill? Instead of clowning around, do that wierd stretch thing and from what i hear doing the running man at one point? A fight is a 2 sided affair, imagine Kalib pulling this against a guy like Rampage or Silva, what do you think the outcome would have been, 1st round KO most likely.
Not saying that Kalib didnt f**k up but im just pondering on Quarrys role in all of this and comparing it to what other guys would do in that situation, IMO there arent bad fights, there are just bad fighters (plural).
I dont think that one fighters lack of heart and aggression should let the other guy off the hook and give him an easy pass, he should have been held to a standard too, maybe Quarry is just as lacking as a fighter?

just watch the fight   quarry was doing everything short of running into kalib's fists.  it was very frustrating to watch as quarry was doing everything he could to make it a good fight.

But still....
Starnes vs. Silva, or Starnes vs. Jackson, or Starnes vs. whoever..

It wasnt a matter of Quarry running into his fists, it is a matter of Quarrys heart as well. When did he unload and go for the kill? At what point does he say "dude, i gotta finish this guy?"

[Rurouni]

I didnt see the fight but does any of this fall on Quarry? Couldnt he have at least engaged and went in for the kill? Instead of clowning around, do that wierd stretch thing and from what i hear doing the running man at one point? A fight is a 2 sided affair, imagine Kalib pulling this against a guy like Rampage or Silva, what do you think the outcome would have been, 1st round KO most likely.
Not saying that Kalib didnt f**k up but im just pondering on Quarrys role in all of this and comparing it to what other guys would do in that situation, IMO there arent bad fights, there are just bad fighters (plural).
I dont think that one fighters lack of heart and aggression should let the other guy off the hook and give him an easy pass, he should have been held to a standard too, maybe Quarry is just as lacking as a fighter?

just watch the fight   quarry was doing everything short of running into kalib's fists.  it was very frustrating to watch as quarry was doing everything he could to make it a good fight.

But still....
Starnes vs. Silva, or Starnes vs. Jackson, or Starnes vs. whoever..

It wasnt a matter of Quarry running into his fists, it is a matter of Quarrys heart as well. When did he unload and go for the kill? At what point does he say "dude, i gotta finish this guy?"

Have you seen the fight yet?  Just watch it.  What more can you do other than constantly advancing?  Starnes wouldn't come in range.  Stranes backed up from the Urkel punch!

http://mixedmartialartvideos.com/2008/04/19/nate-quarry-vs-kalib-starnes-video-ufc-83/

If you watch Rd 3 with about 40 seconds left, Starnes turns his back after a leg kick and looks like he tries to run but goes straight into the fence and has to turn back around. lol

[TheTrain]

Starnes is lucky I'm not Dana White.  I would have been more to the point in my press release.

wtf is a fighter saying he didn't want to get hit or engage?  why fight then?

[underdog]

[Alliance Soldier NYC]

I wonder if the UFC will adopt new rules due to this, like calling a fight if one fighter chooses not to engage after a certain amount of warnings.

[USMC_CHUCK]

Thats funny he flips him off.

[chupacabra]

Starnes went onto Sherdog and posted a thread.  It's a very interesting read.  Basically he says he was running like that because he was hurt badly and didn't see a way to win.  Also, he mentions something about this fight being more profitable for him because of all of the fanfare that has surrounded it. 

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/kalib-starnes-tests-positive-marijuana-cocaine-heroin-amphetamines-774287.html#post22693263

[AZChokester]

What is "Sherdog"??

[The Mice NGC 4676]

What is "Sherdog"??

  It's kinda like NHB GEAR.  I would consider running a great defense,shoulda let'em out of the cage so we could see how far he would run!