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    Author Topic: NAGA allows Heelhooks, Toeholds, Neck cranks, etc.. In Beginners-Opinions.  (Read 5559 times)
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    « on: October 26, 2008, 10:30:07 AM »
    What do you think of this change?
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    « Reply #1 on: October 26, 2008, 10:50:37 AM »
    I think I train BJJ as a HOBBY and do not consider myself a professional fighter.  Tomorrow I need to go to work.  I do not trust Joe white belt to understand the intricacies of a heel hook and understand how far he can crank before my ACL gives up.
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    « Reply #2 on: October 26, 2008, 11:29:38 AM »
    Believe it or not, I actually like this decision because it is the only tournament where you do not have to be in advanced divisions to do those moves. I do hate the canopener though haha. But i like that they will allow heel hooks and twisting footlocks.
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    « Reply #5 on: October 26, 2008, 11:52:28 AM »
    Personally, I was there and had one of my guys get caught on a heel hook, luckily he had a bruised knee (nothing serious) , but made him more safe about it and tapped. I also witness two beginner locking a 50/50 position and going after heel hooks madly, I thought that one of them was done for sure, luckily time ran out.

    I was not aware of heel hooks at beginners division so I had not taught them much on the subject ( all that is changing now). I like open tournaments with all submissions, for advanced practitioners, but beginners (6 month-1 year) have little idea about the limitations of their body, and only go by pain as the indicator.

    The reasoning behind allowing these submissions is that all competitors are adults. In my book and adult beginners, and white belts need to be treated as kids until they mature in the sport with a lot of safety, because they can be reckless. At the school every now and then you get a new student who without any understanding will do very dangerous stuff and can only be paired with a more advance student that can wrestle with him safely otherwise the injury rate shoots through the roof.

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    « Reply #7 on: October 26, 2008, 12:18:07 PM »
    It is a really dumb decision in my opinion.

    Their reasoning is that you can get hurt with any other move, so why not allow heelhooks?
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    « Reply #8 on: October 26, 2008, 12:47:08 PM »
    to their point: don't compete then.

    i think it's a bad idea.  should guys doing jits and or any type of grappling be even near heelhooks in beginners?  they should be perfecting takedowns, passing guard, mounting, controling position and then your armlocks and chokes...
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    « Reply #9 on: October 26, 2008, 01:06:53 PM »
    do they offer affordable health care ??


    I have been told that those waivers you signed before you compete are very worthless.  I hope Naga has good lawyers on retainer.
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    « Reply #10 on: October 26, 2008, 01:34:11 PM »
    horrible.  There are too many other things a beginner need be developing to have to consider most leg locks.  This is only going to result in people getting hurt.  There is no good reason for this rule change.
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    « Reply #11 on: October 26, 2008, 01:46:35 PM »
    Quote from: Ichimonji !! on October 26, 2008, 10:50:37 AM
    I think I train BJJ as a HOBBY and do not consider myself a professional fighter.  Tomorrow I need to go to work.  I do not trust Joe white belt to understand the intricacies of a heel hook and understand how far he can crank before my ACL gives up.




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    « Reply #12 on: October 26, 2008, 02:31:44 PM »
    this is definitely a bad idea.  i remember when I bruised my knee from a heel hook last year. not fun.
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    « Reply #13 on: October 26, 2008, 03:55:08 PM »
    I personally have never competed @ naga but after seeing this I will not take my students to compete in anything like that.
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    They let you do heel hooks in all divisions...Even novice.  Pretty ridiculous in my opinion
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