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[Cankles]

It's not necesarily the fact that some people are stupid and not want to tap.  It's the fact that some newbies lack the sensitivity to give you a chance to tap.  A lot of newbies spaz in practice.  Some are cool in class, but will spaz when you put them in a tournament setting.  Do you want a newbie spazzing out on a heelhook and not even give your buddy, who you just got into this sport 4 months ago, a second to tap?

Some of these guys doing no-gi are guys are TUF newbs that are all attitude, and have no respect for their competitors, as the "older" generations have had.  They all want to learn the cool subs, and eddie bravo's letest cool stuff.  They don't want to learn the foundations of the game.  They want all the cool stuff that will get them the taps, and they want it now.  What happens when you miss the new, "flashy" sub, and they get stuck on the bottom in side control?    "Oh, I didn't learn that, yet..."

[Cankles]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Really?  When did that start?

[SilverFox]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Absolutely incorrect.    http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

There are no leg locks until Brown & Black belt divisions, even for no-gi competition ( no straight ankle/knee, no toe hold, no calf slicers ).  In fact, there are no heel hooks allowed in any division, gi or no-gi. 

[goatfury]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Absolutely incorrect.    http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

There are no leg locks until Brown & Black belt divisions, even for no-gi competition ( no straight ankle/knee, no toe hold, no calf slicers ).  In fact, there are no heel hooks allowed in any division, gi or no-gi. 

Blue and purple belts are allowed to do straight footlocks (ankle locks).

[goatfury]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Absolutely incorrect.    http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

There are no leg locks until Brown & Black belt divisions, even for no-gi competition ( no straight ankle/knee, no toe hold, no calf slicers ).  In fact, there are no heel hooks allowed in any division, gi or no-gi. 

Blue and purple belts are allowed to do straight footlocks (ankle locks).

"Leg lock" means "kneebar" in IBJJFese.

[chris burke]

twisting boner locks.

[SilverFox]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Absolutely incorrect.    http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

There are no leg locks until Brown & Black belt divisions, even for no-gi competition ( no straight ankle/knee, no toe hold, no calf slicers ).  In fact, there are no heel hooks allowed in any division, gi or no-gi. 

Blue and purple belts are allowed to do straight footlocks (ankle locks).

"Leg lock" means "kneebar" in IBJJFese.

And here I thought the ankle was attached to the leg!

[scuba_steve]

btw CBJJ DOES allow straight ankle in white belts.

Absolutely incorrect.    http://www.ibjjf.org/rules.htm

There are no leg locks until Brown & Black belt divisions, even for no-gi competition ( no straight ankle/knee, no toe hold, no calf slicers ).  In fact, there are no heel hooks allowed in any division, gi or no-gi. 

Blue and purple belts are allowed to do straight footlocks (ankle locks).

"Leg lock" means "kneebar" in IBJJFese.

And here I thought the ankle was attached to the leg!

Silverfox attempts a sick burn but ends up pwning himself.  Sweet.

Ah, the difference between being an actual competitor and reading an online rule book written by natives of another country...

[SanDaWang]

twisting boner locks.

i would never compete in an event like that, no matter how big the ninja sword trophy was.

[Cankles]

twisting boner locks.

i would never compete in an event like that, no matter how big the ninja sword I was twisting was.

Fixed

[SilverFox]

Silverfox attempts a sick burn but ends up pwning himself.  Sweet.

Ah, the difference between being an actual competitor and reading an online rule book written by natives of another country...

Actually, scuba_steve, I took the IBJJF/CBJJ referee clinic and was certified by Prof. Alvaro Mansor in early October.  We went over the entire rulebook ( as you see posted on the link ) practically line by line, so I do have better than a cursory knowledge.  Obviously we covered a ton of information, but I do not recall the Professor differentiating that an ankle lock was not a leg lock.  Additionally, I watched the No-Gi Pan Ams and was under the impression that white-purple were not doing any 'leg locks' including straight ankle, and many folks reinforced that to me at the event ( mostly upset competitors ) that this was the case.

If Goat says that is the case, then it is news to me, but I default to his knowledge.  I do not nor cannot ref CBJJ events, and I took the clinic just to further broaden my knowledge since most domestic tournaments are based on those rules, particularly for gi competition.  As for not having a 'competitor's understanding' of the rules, I can only say that if you saw the number of DQs and arguments at the No-gi Pan Ams, you too would question how many competitors have any understandings of the rules.

[dr.kimura]

Silverfox attempts a sick burn but ends up pwning himself.  Sweet.

Ah, the difference between being an actual competitor and reading an online rule book written by natives of another country...

Actually, scuba_steve, I took the IBJJF/CBJJ referee clinic and was certified by Prof. Alvaro Mansor in early October.  We went over the entire rulebook ( as you see posted on the link ) practically line by line, so I do have better than a cursory knowledge.  Obviously we covered a ton of information, but I do not recall the Professor differentiating that an ankle lock was not a leg lock.  Additionally, I watched the No-Gi Pan Ams and was under the impression that white-purple were not doing any 'leg locks' including straight ankle, and many folks reinforced that to me at the event ( mostly upset competitors ) that this was the case.

If Goat says that is the case, then it is news to me, but I default to his knowledge.  I do not nor cannot ref CBJJ events, and I took the clinic just to further broaden my knowledge since most domestic tournaments are based on those rules, particularly for gi competition.  As for not having a 'competitor's understanding' of the rules, I can only say that if you saw the number of DQs and arguments at the No-gi Pan Ams, you too would question how many competitors have any understandings of the rules.

Yeah, I've done Alvaro's seminar 3 times, including two weeks ago (which was terrible compared to the first one I did a few years ago).

Straight ankle locks are legal. Heel hooks never legal. Knee bars for brown & black belts.

The question is whether or not GQ allows heel hooks in the kids division.

[SilverFox]

Silverfox attempts a sick burn but ends up pwning himself.  Sweet.

Ah, the difference between being an actual competitor and reading an online rule book written by natives of another country...

Actually, scuba_steve, I took the IBJJF/CBJJ referee clinic and was certified by Prof. Alvaro Mansor in early October.  We went over the entire rulebook ( as you see posted on the link ) practically line by line, so I do have better than a cursory knowledge.  Obviously we covered a ton of information, but I do not recall the Professor differentiating that an ankle lock was not a leg lock.  Additionally, I watched the No-Gi Pan Ams and was under the impression that white-purple were not doing any 'leg locks' including straight ankle, and many folks reinforced that to me at the event ( mostly upset competitors ) that this was the case.

If Goat says that is the case, then it is news to me, but I default to his knowledge.  I do not nor cannot ref CBJJ events, and I took the clinic just to further broaden my knowledge since most domestic tournaments are based on those rules, particularly for gi competition.  As for not having a 'competitor's understanding' of the rules, I can only say that if you saw the number of DQs and arguments at the No-gi Pan Ams, you too would question how many competitors have any understandings of the rules.

Yeah, I've done Alvaro's seminar 3 times, including two weeks ago (which was terrible compared to the first one I did a few years ago).

Terrible? How so? I was gonna travel to Santa Cruz for that one, but then he scheduled one at Renzo's in NYC so did that one instead.

[dr.kimura]

Silverfox attempts a sick burn but ends up pwning himself.  Sweet.

Ah, the difference between being an actual competitor and reading an online rule book written by natives of another country...

Actually, scuba_steve, I took the IBJJF/CBJJ referee clinic and was certified by Prof. Alvaro Mansor in early October.  We went over the entire rulebook ( as you see posted on the link ) practically line by line, so I do have better than a cursory knowledge.  Obviously we covered a ton of information, but I do not recall the Professor differentiating that an ankle lock was not a leg lock.  Additionally, I watched the No-Gi Pan Ams and was under the impression that white-purple were not doing any 'leg locks' including straight ankle, and many folks reinforced that to me at the event ( mostly upset competitors ) that this was the case.

If Goat says that is the case, then it is news to me, but I default to his knowledge.  I do not nor cannot ref CBJJ events, and I took the clinic just to further broaden my knowledge since most domestic tournaments are based on those rules, particularly for gi competition.  As for not having a 'competitor's understanding' of the rules, I can only say that if you saw the number of DQs and arguments at the No-gi Pan Ams, you too would question how many competitors have any understandings of the rules.

Yeah, I've done Alvaro's seminar 3 times, including two weeks ago (which was terrible compared to the first one I did a few years ago).

Terrible? How so? I was gonna travel to Santa Cruz for that one, but then he scheduled one at Renzo's in NYC so did that one instead.

He started 30 minutes late, answered the phone during the seminar, and did not do the video portion that he did a few years ago. He's a great guy and does a top job as the head ref, but that was a bad day for him.

[SilverFox]

He started 30 minutes late, answered the phone during the seminar, and did not do the video portion that he did a few years ago. He's a great guy and does a top job as the head ref, but that was a bad day for him.

Interesting. He did not do a video portion in NYC either, so not sure what was missed.