Topic: Are (a part of) the Gracies crazy?

[thebaadtouchh]

Am I wrong to be upset with this?

Am I wrong in feeling offended when people who can demonstrate moves against a non resisting opponent think they deserve their blue belt? I can do every one of those moves against someone who isn't resisting too, but dont think that should be a measure of whether someone is ready to advance their belt rank.

Isn't the point of BJJ to use it against people who ARE resisting? In that I feel like Dr. Rey's test, as much as it angers me to watch, is more legit than any test demonstrating basic moves against what amounts to a dummy.

[Warzone]

Anyone remember Helio protesting all the high ranked jiu-jitsu belts by wearing a blue belt?  Now you can get one on the internet...does not make sense.

[Fraz]

All I have to say is....W...O...W...

[tamien]

What a disgrace, they make me sick.

[Zankou]

Really the best way to deal with this abomination is for the BJJ community to openly heap contempt on the trademark term "Gracie Jiu Jitsu," and not accord it the same status as BJJ.

The irony is that Rorion is so focused on "self defense" because you can't hide techniques in competition.  Modern BJJ schools teach you everything up front.  In order to try to keep a money-milking cult, Rorion has had to go back to that TMA bullshido about "secret techniques" you get only at high levels, which aren't useable in competition because they are "too deadly."  Same old martial arts snake oil that BJJ was supposed to go against.

[AgentCooper]

Anyone remember Helio protesting all the high ranked jiu-jitsu belts by wearing a blue belt?  Now you can get one on the internet...does not make sense.

Man, I thought the same thing. I remember that.  Wasn't it due to him not liking the fact that a lot of schools where emphasizing the sport aspect of bjj?  Which is weird to me...without the sport aspect of bjj where would we all be?  Where would the art be?

I would think one would be proud of a legacy that has turned into such a great, highly competitive, and still very difficult sport.

[phalexx]

Am I wrong to be upset with this?

Am I wrong in feeling offended when people who can demonstrate moves against a non resisting opponent think they deserve their blue belt? I can do every one of those moves against someone who isn't resisting too, but dont think that should be a measure of whether someone is ready to advance their belt rank.

Isn't the point of BJJ to use it against people who ARE resisting? In that I feel like Dr. Rey's test, as much as it angers me to watch, is more legit than any test demonstrating basic moves against what amounts to a dummy.

i once watched pedro sauer give a blue belt test. it was a joke. you just showed him how to do certain moves without your partner resisting. he pretty much walked the guys through it and they all passed in the end.
to me, blue belt means you have a good grasp of the basic techniques so it makes sense that a blue belt test wouldnt be too diffcult.

[gucibear]

hey chet,  thanks for the video.  

[dson]

i think i could totally beat Cobrinha's ass if I saw him in on the street

i mean he probably hasn't even practiced his bear hug defense! he would be practically helpless

[F00tL0cker]

This Bullshit completely devalues the art and I encourage you all to reply via the "contact us" button on the Gracie University website.

For you lazy fuckers, here it is:

https://www.gracieuniversity.com/LC/support_view.aspx?c=63QJ4TGT7X&n=28

[makowon]

we have have stopped going to the academy and joined the online trainning program.its working for us,i think jordan will be the 1st to get his bb online

[F00tL0cker]

we have have stopped going to the academy and joined the online trainning program.its working for us,i think jordan will be the 1st to get his bb online

Do you train at the main academy makowon?

If so, how do people there view this kind of business practice?

I don't mean to speak for him, but Phil gives away moves to the community for free.  Of course it's sort of a form of PR but it also improves the wealth of knowledge within the BJJ community.

If he started giving away belts online, I would probably be pretty discouraged, and would consider whether or not that was the right place for me.

[Radamez85]

im sure any self respecting instrcutor who got a hold of the people
who were signing and being certified through that system
would immediately demote to the level that they are rolling and feel wise.

[makowon]

we have have stopped going to the academy and joined the online trainning program.its working for us,i think jordan will be the 1st to get his bb online

Do you train at the main academy makowon?

If so, how do people there view this kind of business practice?

I don't mean to speak for him, but Phil gives away moves to the community for free.  Of course it's sort of a form of PR but it also improves the wealth of knowledge within the BJJ community.

If he started giving away belts online, I would probably be pretty discouraged, and would consider whether or not that was the right place for me.

 most dont know about it and the rest dont care,the oldman had seen the vids and gave his blessing.
i dont know about the online promotions,if he knew or not.

[batmanbjj]

Rener Gracie posted a statement regarding some concerns people had.

https://www.gracieuniversity.com/LC/skeptics.aspx?c=63QJ4TGT7X&n=28