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Offline SilverFox

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Has political correctness striken MMA?
« on: March 04, 2012, 03:33:35 AM »
http://mmajunkie.com/news/27715/strikeforce-ceo-says-ohio-commission-to-launch-brandon-saling-investigation.mma

"They're going to launch a full investigation on Monday," he said ( Strikeforce CEO Scott Coker ). "So that's where that's at. As far as you guys know, the policy for Strikeforce and the UFC is that kind of body art, offensive behavior, (and) offensive art is not going to be allowed.

It is unclear if the issue is Saling's possible criminal past, a possible tie to a Neo-Nazi organization, or merely his body art.

If it is merely body art, should we assume that 'White Steel' is more offensive than 'Brown Pride'



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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2012, 09:54:33 AM »
What about the 88 and SS style lightening bolts on his left trap?

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2012, 10:18:56 AM »
In other news,  the Ohio Athletic Commission has removed Joe Louis's fight record from the books.

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2012, 04:33:15 PM »
IMO equating tattoos of an organization/methodology  that killed millions and preaches that one race is superior while all others are inferior and should be exterminated to a tattoo of a phrase to help uplift a race that has been downtrodden for centuries is flawed thinking.But honestly, it would be hard to understand how flawed that thinking was unless you were a minority.

I'll also add that the guy is a convicted sex offender as well.
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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2012, 06:09:12 PM »
IMO equating tattoos of an organization/methodology  that killed millions and preaches that one race is superior while all others are inferior and should be exterminated to a tattoo of a phrase to help uplift a race that has been downtrodden for centuries is flawed thinking.But honestly, it would be hard to understand how flawed that thinking was unless you were a minority.

I'll also add that the guy is a convicted sex offender as well.

So it's OK for Velasquez to have the tat based on the color of his skin,  while the scumbag shouldn't fight based on the content of his character?

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2012, 07:26:33 PM »
I don't think brown pride equates to white supremacy, maybe in some circles, but certainly not with Cain.
Sailing has a criminal past with sex with a minor including to having clear white supremacy tats.

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2012, 07:47:59 PM »
I don't think brown pride equates to white supremacy, maybe in some circles, but certainly not with Cain.
Sailing has a criminal past with sex with a minor including to having clear white supremacy tats.

So what if, for the sake of argument,  the next Hispanic with a brown pride tat is a committed racist?   Does Cain get to stay?   

It's either a policy or it's special treatment.   It can't be both.

If that cracker meets the standards to fight then let him fight or change the standards.

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« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2012, 07:57:24 PM »
IMO equating tattoos of an organization/methodology  that killed millions and preaches that one race is superior while all others are inferior and should be exterminated to a tattoo of a phrase to help uplift a race that has been downtrodden for centuries is flawed thinking.But honestly, it would be hard to understand how flawed that thinking was unless you were a minority.

I'll also add that the guy is a convicted sex offender as well.

So it's OK for Velasquez to have the tat based on the color of his skin,  while the scumbag shouldn't fight based on the content of his character?

As I said, its hard to explain to a non minority.As a black man,I've never had a problem with a "Brown Pride" tattoo because its never been associated with anything negative.I saw it as a Mexican dude that was trying to instill pride in his minority race that has been downtrodden throughout history.On the otherhand,a guy with a White Pride tattoo will bring up images of racist Neo Nazis who have beaten people because of their race,support Hitler who has exterminated millions because of race,and various other negative images.Sure, a white person could have a "Well if they can do it, then why can't I?" mentality,but my question for them is "Why would you want a White Pride tattoo anyway?"
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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2012, 08:14:14 PM »
IMO equating tattoos of an organization/methodology  that killed millions and preaches that one race is superior while all others are inferior and should be exterminated to a tattoo of a phrase to help uplift a race that has been downtrodden for centuries is flawed thinking.But honestly, it would be hard to understand how flawed that thinking was unless you were a minority.

I'll also add that the guy is a convicted sex offender as well.

So it's OK for Velasquez to have the tat based on the color of his skin,  while the scumbag shouldn't fight based on the content of his character?

As I said, its hard to explain to a non minority.As a black man,I've never had a problem with a "Brown Pride" tattoo because its never been associated with anything negative.I saw it as a Mexican dude that was trying to instill pride in his minority race that has been downtrodden throughout history.On the otherhand,a guy with a White Pride tattoo will bring up images of racist Neo Nazis who have beaten people because of their race,support Hitler who has exterminated millions because of race,and various other negative images.Sure, a white person could have a "Well if they can do it, then why can't I?" mentality,but my question for them is "Why would you want a White Pride tattoo anyway?"

So my being white means I don't have the ability to understand where Cain is coming from?   In spite of the fact I grew up as a minority in deep South Texas and being married to a Mexican for 17 years?

You seem to assume minority status conveys some sort of special reasoning ability.

The key to this is are people equal or not.   Brown Pride denotes race if it's positive or not.

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2012, 08:50:49 PM »
IMO equating tattoos of an organization/methodology  that killed millions and preaches that one race is superior while all others are inferior and should be exterminated to a tattoo of a phrase to help uplift a race that has been downtrodden for centuries is flawed thinking.But honestly, it would be hard to understand how flawed that thinking was unless you were a minority.

I'll also add that the guy is a convicted sex offender as well.

So it's OK for Velasquez to have the tat based on the color of his skin,  while the scumbag shouldn't fight based on the content of his character?

As I said, its hard to explain to a non minority.As a black man,I've never had a problem with a "Brown Pride" tattoo because its never been associated with anything negative.I saw it as a Mexican dude that was trying to instill pride in his minority race that has been downtrodden throughout history.On the otherhand,a guy with a White Pride tattoo will bring up images of racist Neo Nazis who have beaten people because of their race,support Hitler who has exterminated millions because of race,and various other negative images.Sure, a white person could have a "Well if they can do it, then why can't I?" mentality,but my question for them is "Why would you want a White Pride tattoo anyway?"

So my being white means I don't have the ability to understand where Cain is coming from?   In spite of the fact I grew up as a minority in deep South Texas and being married to a Mexican for 17 years?

You seem to assume minority status conveys some sort of special reasoning ability.

The key to this is are people equal or not.   Brown Pride denotes race if it's positive or not.

I didn't and don't mean to offend you, but no you probably won't understand.Regardless of who you marry.Just as I wouldn't understand what it is like to be white in the US even if I married a white woman.I'm not "assuming" that being a minority gives you a "special reasoning ability",but it does help you understand minorities and our outlooks on things. I would think this would be fairly obvious.

Curious, are you offended by Cain's "Brown Pride tattoo? If so, why?
In your eyes, would it be better if the UFC allowed fighters who had "White Power, White Pride,or SS lightning bolts? If so,why?
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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2012, 09:25:02 PM »
so, because latinos are a minority they can have pride, but white people can't? get out of here with that s**t.

check out the new / wshh, the only people attacking due to race are all the little black asshole kids fighting white people because they are white.

don't believe me, we can have a post off. you present your evidence and i will present mine.

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2012, 09:55:48 PM »
I honestly didn't know what the 88 and lightning bolts meant...seems much more overtly Neo-Nazi than just White Steel.

Don't Rampage and Sonnen have criminal records?  They don't seem to have an issue getting licensed or being promoted by the UFC, so why would Saling?
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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2012, 10:18:07 PM »
Brown Pride does not equal White Supremacy and you all know it.

And f. Josh Thompson's shirt, by the way.

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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2012, 11:49:02 PM »
so, because latinos are a minority they can have pride, but white people can't? get out of here with that s**t.

check out the new / wshh, the only people attacking due to race are all the little black asshole kids fighting white people because they are white.

don't believe me, we can have a post off. you present your evidence and i will present mine.

In my first post on this subject I mentioned that non minorities really can't understand.It would be like me trying to understand what its like to be an immigrant.In your post you are claiming to use WSHH which is basically the ghetto internet version of Jerry Springer as a representation of Black people.Thats just ridiculous.The fact of the matter is that you really aren't offended by Cain Velasquez's tattoo, but frustrated because you "he can do it and I can't". You have entitlement issues that you simply aren't aware about.Personally, i've heard a few people complain about Cain's tattoo but none of them are minorities.Coincidence?
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Re: Has political correctness striken MMA?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2012, 12:40:58 AM »
so, because latinos are a minority they can have pride, but white people can't? get out of here with that s**t.

check out the new / wshh, the only people attacking due to race are all the little black asshole kids fighting white people because they are white.

don't believe me, we can have a post off. you present your evidence and i will present mine.

In my first post on this subject I mentioned that non minorities really can't understand.It would be like me trying to understand what its like to be an immigrant.In your post you are claiming to use WSHH which is basically the ghetto internet version of Jerry Springer as a representation of Black people.Thats just ridiculous.The fact of the matter is that you really aren't offended by Cain Velasquez's tattoo, but frustrated because you "he can do it and I can't". You have entitlement issues that you simply aren't aware about.Personally, i've heard a few people complain about Cain's tattoo but none of them are minorities.Coincidence?

Certainly a better discussion for the politix forum, but here's the way I see it.  Political correctness is a double-edge sword, and if you want to take race issues off the table, then it has to be universal, not piece meal.  This means minorities don't get caveats as if it were their privilege.

I'm not offended by Brown Pride anymore than I am by White Steel. My only point is you can't say Cain has more rights as a minority, or one term is 'more offensive' than the other based on some historical perspective.  Religiously, this is going on currently between Islam and Christianity, where lately this uber-sensitivity towards Muslims trumps those of Christians.  Sorry, this is liberal nonsense.

Bottom line is I'm just not gonna stop saying 'Mother Fucker' because it offends the sensibilities of incest victims, only to hear them use it to each other like 'wassup motherfucka?'
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